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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:12 am

Now to the bike...

On the wiring schematic:

Generator Terminal # 33, two wires. A red wire going to generator terminal on regulator. A green wire going to 28 Generator light, and a black wire at 28 going to terminal 6.

Question : Are the green and black wired connected together and then connected to the generator light 28?

What occurs to turn off the generator light when the engine is running.

The dash light sockets only have 1 wire.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:36 pm

George...
What generator are you running? 6 or 12 volt?
RooDog?

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:00 pm

65A. 12Volt.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:34 pm

The Armature, marked "A" in the generator case, and the field , marked "F", on the genny go to the regulator, and then the Bat terminal goes to the battery and is hat full time hot. There is also a wire that runs from the "A" terminal to the dash "Gen" light. That light requires two leads and is not grounded. The other lead goes to the "Ign" terminal on the switch. It is only hot in the on, run, position, and/or accessory. When turned on, motor not running or too slow to charge the battery voltage pushes amps through the light bulb to ground through that "A" terminal, the Gen light will be ON. Once the engine is running and the armature voltage equalizes with the battery voltage there is no differential, no current flows through the Batt light, and it goes out.
Now, the Oil light is not grounded either, must have two leads, one to the Ign terminal and the other goes to the oil pressure switch which becomes the ground source with low OP. So, both dash lights must have two wires and not be grounded. OK?
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:05 pm

I am going to go to W&W cycles in Würzburg on Monday and get 2 of these:

https://www.wwag.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects ... e=%21WW535

And install them on my dash plate.

Only the oil pressure light has a insulated plug with 2 wires.

The netural and generator light is one ( 1 ) wire.

Then I should be able to finish up the bikes wiring. I have the Horn, and turn signals working, so to now hook up the headlight and handlebar switch for the high/low beam.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:18 pm

I don't think that light housing is gonna work, the ground wire is attached to the shell which will ground through the base plate....
I would use something like this....
http://images.wrenchead.com/Smartpages/ ... 6S1010.jpg

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:16 am

Roodog,

You were correct, I went by W&W and looked at one, no go. They did have one listed similar to the one you pictured, however out of stock.

But, I was able to find something similar on Amazon.de and got it, put in on last evening, and it's going to work just fine.

I have replaced the other bulb holders so everything will be the same.

Also have a fan cooled LED headlight installed, and damn that bugger is Bright!

Then the rain came......... :(

To be continued......

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:56 am

G....
Glad to hear the Gen light worked out for you. I tried an LED bulb there thinking the diode function would be ideal but it didn't work out for me. I also had problems with LED 1157 replacements, some would not physically install in the bulb sockets, and others just wouldn't work at all, so rather than stressing out over them I just chose to stick with the incandescent lighting and went on to dealing with other problems. Now I am done with this 1950 Panny, hopefully, and am delivering it to my brother this weekend. It's been on my name since September 1967, and now it's time to move on, but still in the Family.....
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:57 pm

OK fellas,

Update and question.

I have the wiring completed, and have adjusted the clutch basket and the clutch booster. Got the brakes completed and bled. Serviced the front forks with 6.5 ounces of straight 20 weight oil.

And just started on the fuel tanks. and they are coming along.

Now the question,

Since I serviced the forks with 20 weight oil, they seem to have a lot of "bounce", just rocking the bike back and forth, and jamming on the brakes, the front end strokes about a inch and a half.. 1.5 inchs.

Is that correct? And if not, would going to 30 weight oil reduce that dimension?

Keep in mind, I am a virgin with this, so be gentle.. :D

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:23 am

G...
Just try it, ride it, let the road decide....

Seen a guy down in Georgia who had removed the two lower fork drain plugs and installed grease zerks, and just pumped grease into his Hydraglide fork... How about that?
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RUBONE » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:48 am

The 20W may work fine. What springs are in the fork? Stock or progressive? Any pre-load on the springs? How heavy is the bike? Lots to think about George (Schorsch now I guess :D )

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:49 am

Robbie,

Sometimes is Georg, or Georgi, Jorge or as you spelled it...... :lol:

I am using the springs that came in the forks when I got the front end as a assembly, so I am going to assume standard springs.

Not sure of the bikes total weight yet, but TüV is going to want to know that, but lucky me ... there is a farm supply house with scales, that is two streets away from where I live, and I will find out when it is running, and take it there to be weighed, and they will supply a "Official Weight Ticket", that TüV will accept.

Roodog, I will ride it and see how it acts/handles on the road with the 20W in it, but I am getting here is that it is a combination of springs, and oil weight that determines the amount of rebound.

Thanks.....to you both..

George.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:53 pm

Harleys are brute machines. They were but engineered, but never over engineered, until the Twinkies came along so why try to do it now?
George, I know you are in Germany, home of the Mercedes, BMWs and Tiger tank, but you need not over think your Panhead. Just put it together, get 'er running, and then make any changes you see fit after it is up and running. I believe you have enough issues dealing with Das Reich ( governmental red tape, not a political statement ). & TUV trying to make them happy.
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:38 am

Roodog,

Not trying to reinvent, nor over engineer the bike, just trying to get a grip on how it all works.

I spent 38 years working on helicopters and making sure I understood everything that worked on them and how it all worked as a system.

Not Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

So, again, my question: is only the oils viscosity and springs within the forks controls the amount of rebound?

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by jbuliwyf » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:13 pm

For what it's worth, if you take a newer dyna or dresser and exchange the fork oil for extra heavy it will stiffen the ride and improve the handling of the front end. I'm not sure if that applies to your iron head sporty front end but it should.

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