46EL Vin

46EL Vin

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46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Hi,

46EL2101 is for sale in The Netherlands. Would like to know if the Vin is ok.
The 4 and 6 look not correct comparing with the other picture. Although i found 1 simular Vin in the Vin section pictures.
Thank you!
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:11 pm

This is what i found in the gallery/vin's. Specific on this picture the 6.
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by 1950Panhead » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:34 pm

46EL2112 is factory stamp
46EL2101 is not factory stamp
46EL1328 is not factory stamp

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:03 pm

First vin is correct, empirically writing. Following two vins look like restamps, or new stamps on blank case.

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:32 pm

Thanks for the quick respons.

Was the restamp done by the factory or by the dealer on a kind of exchange base?,
and the original 4 and 6 stamps were lost?
Could you order a blank case without any exchange?

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by RUBONE » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:37 am

Could you order a blank case without any exchange?
Yes, you could back then.

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:55 am

Wallie, 1946 model Knuckles originally had a left case with long upper ribs and you can see one of those ribs in the picture of 2112. Also for 2112, notice the style of number boss. There are no nubs above the boss and there is a recess around the case stud, washer and nut. The type of left case used for 2112 first appeared about later-41 so I would expect all 1946 model Knuckles to have it.

But 2101 has short upper ribs, a different style of number boss and two nubs above it. And although Knuckles used more than one type of short-rib case, I wouldn’t expect to see one used as original for a 1946 model. In the serial number is the second character really 6? The photo is blurry and I’ve seen it before but sometimes a picture like that can be misleading so could you ask the seller for a very clear close-up of the entire serial number please. Thanks.
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:10 am

Thanks for all the input. Im working on a better Vin picture.
This is a photo of the bellynumber:40E1992.
I have no knowledge of these Nucklenumbers.
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:57 pm

I can’t see anything wrong with that belly number and all its characters are consistent with 1940. Does the other belly number match it?
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:09 pm

Speeding Big Twin.

The other bellynumber is the same.
The bike is advertised as a 46 by a "respectable" worldwide seller:

https://www.yesterdays.nl/product/harle ... -ohv-2711/

When the 6 would be a 0, would that make the difference?
Also what about the 4 not opened at he top.

I searches around and found a simular belly, see picture.
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by RUBONE » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:24 pm

That bike pictured is covered with reproduction parts..and not remotely finished as a '46 would be.

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:43 pm

Rubone,

I understand that. When the bike was a original one, price would be double.
At least what you can expect is a valid vin/belly.
The rest is a matter of chase.

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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:16 pm

Wallie, that’s where I saw the bike advertised in June. But even if a seller is recognised as respectable it doesn’t mean everything is authentic because the seller may not know much about Harleys. For example, the ad mentions ‘hard tail’ but it doesn’t tell people the frame is not from a Knucklehead. And although the bike is advertised as a 46 model the ad doesn’t explain that the shifter lever at the trans lid points down which is something first introduced for 1947 models. (For 46-earlier that shifter lever pointed up.)

Short ribs indicated the left case was mid-41 or earlier, if H-D. The type of SN boss and the two nubs above it also suggested mid-41 or earlier. Therefore a 46 serial number (SN) made no sense. But although the photo was blurry, I wondered if the 4 may be okay because H-D used a few different closed-top 4s in Knucklehead SNs for 1936--early-43. (About mid-43 they changed to open top.) But what about the second character? I thought maybe it began life as 0, meaning the SN may be from 1940, and that’s one reason I asked for a clear close-up. A better photo of the SN may also reveal a few more things I'd like to check.

And a pair of 1940 cases is now looking more likely, given we know they have 1940 belly numbers (BNs), provided of course the second BN looks as good as the first. Can we get a photo of the second BN please.
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by Wallie » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:20 pm

The close up:
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Re: 46EL Vin

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Post by white1j0 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:26 pm

Definitely not a '46 case, and the 46 looks to me a re stamp, the font for the 6 should be a straight leg.

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