Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:36 pm

Excellent post, I have never ever, ever seen belly numbers that begin with a "3", kewl..



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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:21 pm

So last Thursday I took a load of motor parts to a friends house for inspection. The worst thing now is the gear side case has a few cracks that need to be repaired. Three cracks, one from fastener stress and 2 that appear to be because the engine was not bolted to the frame and run for some time. Our local welder friend is moving his shop now but should be back in business in a couple weeks. Anyone know of any reputable vintage engine case repair shops on the east coast? I had Headhog do a set, they came out great, just not ready to wait a year to get them back and my last repair was pretty pricey due to the extant of the repair. We installed a new idler gear bushing and honed it to fit, then put the cam and idler in, put the cam cover on and checked backlash. We lightly honed the cylinders and fitted new .40 over pistons. I also have cast iron rings gapped and the wrist pin fitted in the piston box. The top of the rear piston has a R on it so it is used on the correct cylinder when it's time to assemble. We removed the valves and inspected the guides, rockers, and seats. All appear to be in good condition, might need to tighten up 2 guides, but the valve stems were not all scared up. Exhaust valve springs have rotators and intakes have taper split keepers. Both heads have the oilers and felts were in each cover. No cracks near the sparkplug holes. Very runnable set of unported heads and the D rings aren't cracked. We took the left hand Timken bearing nut off and removed the Timkens from the case. The races look good. We separated the flywheel and the bearing still retained oily. the crank pin looks really nice but we will Mic. that later to make sure there isn't wear. The rods look like they can be honed and fit with new oversize rollers. My motor man pointed out the yellow paint marks on the nuts and bottom of the rods during assembly and said these wheels have never been split before and when he looked at the crank pin and thrust washers he said it looks like a low mileage motor. I packed everything up for the day and headed home. Last Friday, I hoisted the bike up on a high welding table I made in the garage to continue tear down and cleaning. Since Friday, I have removed the rear fender, removed the drive chain, removed and put the transmission in the parts washer. Vent is in the trans case and casting plate is 3 0. which I think means it was cast in March of 50? I don't remember seeing any stamped numbers below the casting plate, but it is still mounted to the tranny plate and adjuster. The ratchet is still a bit gummy and won't seem to catch anything inside when trying to shift. I removed the oil tank and it is currently being flushed out in the parts washer. After cleaning I see blue RTV behind the ratchet boss in the hole where two lid screws are. Hope that's not more cracks, but I have successfully welded a trans lid together that blew apart in a few different directions, so I might take a shot at this and maybe the rear engine case bolt hole. I have cleaned up a lot of the grit and grime on the frame, but I didn't take any pictures. I'll have to pull some parts out and upload some pictures. The last picture was the day I hoisted in on the table.
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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by Bigincher » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:51 am

That's pretty cool news on the motor, great! You're heading in the right direction, for sure.
But the way you have that bike perched like that makes me nervous. I hope it's more stable than it looks.
The blue silicon in the screw holes probably means the threads are stripped.

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by hplhd » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:03 am

panpal, is headhogs shop still taking in jobs with his passing away?

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:33 pm

Wow, Didnt hear about Don passing. Very sorry to hear that!

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by Panacea » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:45 pm

Looks like you're up to your elbows in fun! Interesting that you have another belly number starting with 3, My yellow 51 also had it. 350-3170, I guess it could have been a 1950, not sure since the VIN was changed to a DOT number long before I got it. From what I understand 3 usually means 45" 1 stands for 74" and 2 is for 61". Thanks for documenting your project, I know it takes a lot of extra time...Mike

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:38 pm

A little more cleaning but the crud is thick on the frame. I'll post pictures of the frame when I'm closer to clean. Took off the regulator and coil to see what wires looked like also removed the rear fork tins to check that out. Under the silicone is a bad weld and a allen bolt in the front tranny lid hole behind the ratchet boss. I will have to address that. I wired off more of the bottom of the transmission and found some stamped numbers I couldn't see before. What year is the transmission case and kicker cover please? I removed the cowl (sp) on the end of the generator and the generator spins free and doesn't look too bad inside. I don't remember a ratchet assembly on the generator gear, but I cant say I have removed many generator gears. Looks like an original coil to me. I rubbed some of the oxidation off the lower front forks and the front brake outer housing. FYI, dripping Kroil for a day or 2 on rubber swells the shit out of it. I have a door mat with a big hump in the middle now. Probably softens tires and swells shock bushings too. I do strap the bike to the table. It's not the first bike I completely built on it. Being on the tall side, it saves your back.
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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:40 pm

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by Doc37W » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:57 am

That's a fan cooled -58 Police generator, & yes they come with a rachet gear to prevent shearing the gear when the bearings get too hot and locks up! Should have a large 3 post Delco-Remy regulator on the rear motor mount bracket. Doc

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by RUBONE » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:22 am

That transmission is much earlier than the bike, by 8 years. That code appears to be 3-0 which is march '50 and goes along with the early case vent.

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by dcmc » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:09 pm

Great post !
your wires look nice, a little shrink tube here and there and all will be good !

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:32 pm

yes they come with a ratchet gear to prevent shearing the gear when the bearings get too hot and locks up!
Can't wrap my head around this statement. If this were true you would be driving the generator on the ramps. A friend claims it was over engineered to compensate for the additional flying mass from the fan and not done for very long. The more power the generator is putting out, the harder it is to spin. Seems it would slip when you needed it to be driving.

The bike did come with a large rectangular shaped regulator and a spare in the bubble bag. It is bigger then the square regulator on my 59. The cover is rusted, so I didn't notice Delco stamped on it, but I will take a closer look. This was mounted on the outside of my coil with long extensions screwed onto the terminal studs, then supported on 2 rubber straps top and bottom. I will shoot some pictures.

My Buddy wants to help on this project now. He will supply parts and help with engine and transmission building and sell it so I'm not dealing with tax issues through e bay sales. He is talking correct year tranny case, wheels, hubs, seat and on and on. I like the history of whats here now. Looks like someone got a hold of a 50 pan and used the transmission and front crash bar. Then later found a 61, 62 and used the tanks and maybe the police parts or it was a police bike who knows. My buddy does have 2 sets of 57, 58 tanks he keeps mentioning, but I know what he paid for them. The nice thing is the parts changed are Harley original parts from what I can tell. I want to disassemble the wheels, get a couple spokes to replace the ones that aren't safe to run and true it on some original black rims I have and use a couple original Goodyear 100 tires I have. If the tires suck, I'll put a pair of Shinko's on it. He did just come up with the correct style oil tank that I will use. This current oil tank on it is missing the top inner primary tab, has the ears cut off the back of the tank for the battery hold downs and has some kind of weird welds that looks like someone opened up the back of the tank at some point. Someone may want this one for a Chopper/Bobber project or something. For now I'm just trying to clean the frame and other parts down to paint, then start on getting the generator, master cylinder, wheel cylinder and Linkert in running order. This will be more correct than it was when I got it and run and stop like it should. I just want to save the history and let someone ride it a love it again.

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by Andygears » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:56 am

Well, I'm a little disappointed, but you do whatever you feel is right. Thank you so much for the excellent pictures and your suspenseful tale of resurrecting a somewhat original beauty.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by RUBONE » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:30 am

The big three component regulators are specific to the police generators. The generator spins CCW. If the oil tank had ears for battery hold down rods cut off it likely spent some time in a rigid frame.

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Re: Why did this 58 FL get parked?

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Post by PanPal » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:11 pm

spent more time cleaning the frame a little this weekend. Then decided it was time to start looking at the wheels. I removed the lugs on the front and rear brake drums. took off the axil nuts and loosened the front fork cap on the right side leg. The axils came out pretty easy and the wheel came out of the front fender without any hassle. I worked to brake the bead off both sides of the tires in my vise. wanted to be careful not to damage the tire bead in case The tires can be reused. Then I used fork spoons and removed the tires and tubes. Both rims are damaged near the beaded surface from sitting and need to be replaced. The black rim spoke nuts don't look bad on the inside. I will try to break these down without cutting spokes. I took a picture of the regulator this morning and snapped a few other shots. The Brake drums are in the part washer along with the axils today. Rear drum has a casting date ending in 58 A. I didn't see any markings on the front drum yet.
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