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buying a bike??.... 1958 pan/with 1950 engine

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Post by engineguy63 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:27 pm

OK GUYS, I am new to this forum, and, need a little input. Lookin' to get back into bikes, last was a 76 sporty ...years ago. My bros. just got a 64 pan, and I took it for a very short ride..litterally down the street...and...I LIKE IT...the look, the sound, the feel, and above all the clean simple uncluttered look. I found a 58 for sale...not excactly locally, 4hours drive, but, at least do-able. it looks nice in the pics, but has a '50 engine and tranny. This does not bother me as far as I am not expecting perfection in my price range, but, are there any broblems associated with combining these years? I believe the 1950 engine is smaller than the 58in terms of actual displacement, but, I assumme that fisically the engine is the same size, so it will look correct. I do know ( I have been told by owner) it is set up without the "mouse trap clutch spring"......if in fact I am calling this the correct part???. anyhow, any real downfalls to having a 1950 engine in a 1958 frame?? OK GUYS and GALS Thanks for your imput!!



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Re: buying a bike??.... 1958 pan/with 1950 engine

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Post by john HD » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:17 pm

welcome aboard engine guy!

thinking you could go either way, build a 50 or a 58. or you could build both!

on the other hand you can just run it as is. perfectly ok, there are lots of early engines running in later or aftermarket frames.

as for displacement of the motor, you can tell by the numbers. a EL is 61 ci and a F or FL is 74 ci. however, be aware after 50 some years the motor may have been enlarged to 74 or even 80 ci!

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Post by awander » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:49 pm

I don't know if you're gonna' like it without the mousetrap. That clutch is a pretty stiff spring.

You might want to make sure that nothing has been changed that would prevent adding the booster(mousetrap) back if you decided to do so.

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Post by Panacea » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:09 pm

Keep in mind the bikes' value is not what it would be if it had all matching components,Not a problem if you can get it for six grand, but the seller will shoot for much more....Mike

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Post by Toymaster » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:10 pm

I am curious as to how it's a '58' with a '50' motor since the VIN is the engine right crankcase #
Frames of that era don't have VIN #'s...
I'd be careful with this one.. What's the title say?

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Post by awander » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:50 pm

I would guess it has a swingarm frame, to make it (at least ) a '58.

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Post by engineguy63 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:51 am

Well, Maybe this one is a walk away.......claimed it was a '58 with a '50 engine, called the owner last night and he said on the title it read 1976.........that really floored me, he thought that maybe it was put back togather in '76 so that is what the title read????????????? Something do not seam right!

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Post by awander » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:33 pm

Hey, Engineguy:

If you could deal with a '76 sportster, then I think you could deal with anything...:)

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Re: buying a bike??.... 1958 pan/with 1950 engine

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Post by VPH-D » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:20 pm

If the title states the machine is a 1976, it may be a special construction title for a parts bike.
A special construction title is legal, but cuts the value by about half, as the bike is no longer legally a H-D. These bikes often have a metal tag affixed to the motor and frame for the ID.

The bike could be a 50 in a 58 frame, but not the converse. In this case the title would state the bike was a H-D, serial number 50FL*****. The serial number on the title must match the number stamped into the left case.
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Post by awander » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:11 pm

VPH-D:

Are you saying there couldn't be a '58 bike with a '50 frame? What would prevent that?

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Re: buying a bike??.... 1958 pan/with 1950 engine

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Post by PanPal » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:50 pm

It is possible to have a 58 bike with a 50 frame, but the motor would have to be stamped with the 58 stamps. The bike year is the number stamped on the motor.

In this case the claim was a 58 bike with a 50 motor, which would make it a 50 if the motor was stamped 50.

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Post by Toymaster » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:11 pm

PanPal wrote:It is possible to have a 58 bike with a 50 frame, but the motor would have to be stamped with the 58 stamps. The bike year is the number stamped on the motor.

In this case the claim was a 58 bike with a 50 motor, which would make it a 50 if the motor was stamped 50.
awander the above is the point I was trying to make in my post..

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Post by awander » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:28 pm

Gotca'-of course-the "bike" year is the "engine" year.

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