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Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by jonnyd » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:37 pm

My dad is into old BMW's, Triumphs and BSA's while I have always been a Harley man at heart. Yesterday, I went out of state with him to help him load up and bring back two 1950 R50's that he was buying. While we were at this guy's house, we looked at this 1948 FL Panhead in an outlying shed. I was able to get these pics but the thing is surrounded by a lot of junk so I couldn't get a real good look at it. He is willing to sell although we didn't discuss any solid figures. I am thinking about going back next week to roll it out and get a better look. Can anyone give me any suggestions on whether or not it looks original or what should I look for when I go back for another look? What is something like this worth? Thanks.
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Post by DaveSwanson » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:04 pm

It looks very original to me. An original, 48 survivor like that is easily worth 25k. And probably more like 30k.

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Post by beets » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:43 pm

Looks good! What about the other Pan to the left in the third picture?

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL Basketcase

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Post by RUBONE » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:32 am

Not bad for an old Pan! Obvious things point to an older restoration, non-stock paint, non-stock bags and seat, later oil filter, incorrect decal placement. All point to a bike that has been all apart. So now the question is, are all the major parts intended to go together? Is the frame a one year only '48, do the cases match and more importantly, what is the engine # and is it unmolested? Is the sheet metal original? Generally it looks pretty good but without knowing how correct the bits are that is the difference between a $10000.00 repro-ration and a $25000.00 original!
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Re: Found '48 Pan FL Basketcase

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Post by awander » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:44 am

Wondering why you called it a basketcase. I was expecting to see a bunch of parts, but that lkooks like a fairly complete motorcycle to me.

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Post by jonnyd » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:15 am

Thanks for the help everyone. I'm kind of new to this. I've been looking for a good restoration project for a long time and think maybe I've found it. As far as the bike on the left in the 3rd pic, I do know it's a '55 with a not original front end. I am going back next week to roll out the '48 and take a closer look, especially at the sn#'s.

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by john HD » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:05 am

jonny,

try to educate yourself as much as you can before you go back. the database here is searchable. and there is a page run by a member here that shows various serial/case numbers.

http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/v/Numbers/

also, try to get your hands on a copy of "how to restore your harley davidson" by bruce palmer. it is the restorer's bible.

nice looking bike, let us know how your second trip turns out! and welcome to the forum!

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by Cotten » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:12 pm

Bike looks delightful: As 'un-molested' as you can hope for these days.

With a Chummee skirt on the seat, one wonders if the paint is "Indian Red" or Burgundy.

My Burgundy '49 project turned out Indian Red.
(The exact Indian Red is the subject of cyberworld discussions that rival "oil" itself! Oh well.)

....Cotten
PS: If indeed the seat is a Chummee and not a Buddy, it is currently worth roughly two Buddies on the market.

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by mbskeam » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:09 am

remember don't seam to eager to get it....
let him give you a price
and if its low, do not let on to what its worth....
and let me know where that barn is...LOL

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by 46wl » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:45 pm

what a beauty! Please don't restore it! A lot of incorrect things, but there's history, nonetheless!

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by jonnyd » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:05 pm

I have been doing some research on the serial #'s. Is it true that the motor serial # on the left crankcase above the timing plug will not match the pair of belly crankcase serial #'s? So I just need to make sure that the belly crankcase #'s match each other? By the way, thanks for the book recommendation. Very helpful.

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Re: Found '48 Pan FL , suggestions?

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Post by DaveSwanson » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:33 pm

Right, the "belly" numbers will not match the engine serial number, but the last four digits (or 5) of each should be fairly close in range. Usually within 25 or so.

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