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chopperzz
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65' cop special

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Post by chopperzz » Fri May 15, 2009 6:18 pm

can I get a few pictures of the correct shifter mounts, clutch pedal and gas tank mount for this year. I have one and am trying to verify my set up versus the forum.

thanks, Chopperzz
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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by RUBONE » Fri May 15, 2009 6:36 pm

It is hard to see your picture but I can tell you that no original '65 police bike had that shifter on it. They used the same 3 1/2 gallon tanks as '63 and '64 handshift models. The remote mounted shifter did not arrive until '66.
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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by chopperzz » Fri May 15, 2009 7:50 pm

try this photo.
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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by RUBONE » Fri May 15, 2009 9:39 pm

Those are not even '65 tanks! '65 is the only year of 5 gallon with the instant reserve feature of earlier tanks. An as I said earlier, that shifter is not correct for '65. Neither is the generator or the polished primaries. :roll:
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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by chopperzz » Fri May 15, 2009 9:51 pm

thanks for your comments, however I was asking for some constructive support and some proper pictures to reference, not just a bunch of slander about the bike.
If the tanks aren't 65', then what years did these tanks come on.
What are the correct shifter mounts? If you can't help, please leave this post to someone who can because that how I addressed the forum.

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by NightShift » Fri May 15, 2009 10:52 pm

Chopperzz,
Mr. Rubone told you the facts straight up.

Your tanks and shifter are both later parts stuck on, and could even be catalog crap from all we can see in a photo.

Get a copy of Palmer's "How to Restore Your Harley-Davison" because earlier models are your clue to the shifter set up. But he couldnt write up '65 exactly because they changed all the time they was made.

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by john HD » Fri May 15, 2009 11:08 pm

chopperzz wrote:thanks for your comments, however I was asking for some constructive support and some proper pictures to reference, not just a bunch of slander about the bike.
If the tanks aren't 65', then what years did these tanks come on.
What are the correct shifter mounts? If you can't help, please leave this post to someone who can because that how I addressed the forum.

chopper,

ease up a bit. rub and night shift know what they are talking about. follow their advice if you want to find the correct parts for your bike if that is what you are interested in.

i think your bike looks good even with the later model shifter. i put one on one of my friend's bikes (1945 F knuck) until we could put the correct shifter top on the tranny and the correct tanks, shiftgate etc.


look at it this way, all of these bikes we ride are a work in progress. and your looks good to me!


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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by caschnd1 » Sat May 16, 2009 5:09 am

Not trying to insight anymore accusations of "slander" :?: but the heads are not '65 either. They are '55-'57 castings. The o-ring intake and 3 fins cut-out for the spark plug are the give-away.

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by lockdoc » Sat May 16, 2009 5:50 am

caschnd1 wrote:Not trying to insight anymore accusations of "slander" :?: but the heads are not '65 either. They are '55-'57 castings. The o-ring intake and 3 fins cut-out for the spark plug are the give-away.

-Craig
Sorry but I have genuine 65 heads and they look just like those. The 55-65 have 3 fins cut away and o-ring intakes. The give away you mention would be the oil feeders on the right side that you can't see in the pic that were 63-65.

Can't help you with your questions but nice looking ride!

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by chopperzz » Sat May 16, 2009 2:56 pm

Locdoc-

I'll post some better photos of the oilfeeds next week.

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by RUBONE » Sat May 16, 2009 5:17 pm

Chopperzz,
Regretfully sometimes things are not what we wish them to be. Your bike is a perfectly fine motorcycle but probably not what you hope or think it is/was. Why do you feel it was a police model? There is nothing so far from your pictures to indicate that. And please don't say because it has a police speedometer, as that would not prove anything. The tanks on your bike are '75 and newer based on the fuel valve. The emblems appear to be repop. The regulator built into the generator indicates that the original type regulator is missing from the correct location at the front of the battery box. Most of the visible engine hardware is incorrect for a STOCK bike. Manifold clamps, base nuts, case bolts, timing plug, all are wrong finish. As i said earlier, the primary covers are incorrectly polished, a finish that is very difficult to reverse. Is that an allenhead screw holding the outer cover on? So then, is the frame correct for the year? Are the forks? The wheels? Lots more pictures are necessary to see the whole machine but from initial shots it appears to be built from parts. Sorry if that offends you but that is the way it is.
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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by NightShift » Sat May 16, 2009 7:28 pm

But we all agree that it looks like a lot of fun anywheres but an AMCA meet.

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by mbskeam » Sat May 16, 2009 8:13 pm

just ride the hell outa it.....
got me a little bit of every year on mine, think of it as have the best of every year....

if you want a original, you have to get one of those, "I found it in the barn of an old man" LOL.....

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by caschnd1 » Sat May 16, 2009 10:43 pm

lockdoc wrote:
caschnd1 wrote:Not trying to insight anymore accusations of "slander" :?: but the heads are not '65 either. They are '55-'57 castings. The o-ring intake and 3 fins cut-out for the spark plug are the give-away.

-Craig
Sorry but I have genuine 65 heads and they look just like those. The 55-65 have 3 fins cut away and o-ring intakes. The give away you mention would be the oil feeders on the right side that you can't see in the pic that were 63-65.

Can't help you with your questions but nice looking ride!
Well, I have to say I learned something. I went and pulled all the photos of 55-65 panheads I could find. And sure enough... 55-57 has the 3-fins... then 58-62 has 2-fins... then in '63 they went back to the 3-fins again (and the oilers of course). I had always thought the 63-65 also had 2-fins cut out by the spark plug but as you pointed out, I was incorrect. Thanks for the additional info!

-Craig

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Re: 65' cop special

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Mon May 18, 2009 9:27 am

Chopperzz, the best I can do for a picture of the shifter is a scan from my 1958--1968 H-D catalog but at least it will demonstrate the different styles. As mentioned above, your style was first introduced for 1966. And I notice your shift rod end is open-ended. And will I assume that your mention of gas tank mount referred to the shift gate/guide? If so, you'll see that is also in the scan.

Palmer's book goes into the clutch pedal assemblies somewhat, although at times he talks about parts through 1964 and other times he talks about parts through 1978. I have a copy but I've also seen it available at libraries here in Western Australia so check if your local library has a copy.

Are you looking to bring the whole bike back to 1965 specs? Because in the photo below your frame appears to have a gusset plate attached forward of the rear downtube? The gusset was first introduced for late-1968 although it was available as a repair part for Big Twin frames back through 1958. Your frame style appears no earlier than 1965 but if the gusset is an original fitment then that makes your frame no earlier than late-1968 and we can explain how to determine probably the exact year of manufacture etc if you want. Eric

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