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Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by FelthamW » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:34 pm

Not to hijack a thread, I was looking closely at James' pics in the '52 gallery for the original posts regarding silver painted parts. So, I started this thread.

I am getting gunshy about minor hardware finishes. It is important to me and every time I see something to the contrary, I second guess myself. I have a '55 (see my pics in '55 gallery - with what I now think are wrong primary screws). I need clarification on some minor issues that will add up pointwise, if I am wrong.

I have collected many pics thru the years of unrestored '55's, have the Antique Cycle Supply factory pics for '53 thru '57 and have Chris Hayne's '55 factory pics for reference, plus of course - Palmer's bible.

When I look and see that '52 in the gallery with a parkerized seat post wire clamp, it is contrary to what I have found. To cut to the chase, does anybody know what is absolutely correct for a '55? I say cad. And I say park on the neck post wire clamp. I can back them up with photos. Help!

Then there is the issue of the correct primary screws and washers. Originally at first showing (J2), I had park screws and park washers. They wrote some goobledy gook (undecipherable) about cad washers on screws. Every pic I have for a '55 shows a park screw but I can not see what the washer is. My unrestored pics are inconclusive. Then I see James' '52 in the gallery and it messes with me. The only factory pics I have that show cad screws is '57 and the washer finish is again obscure. I had cad screws and park washers in it during the second viewing (J1) and no one said diddly. I had swapped them earlier that day because of some on site "expert" advice. And, I think that is wrong. I really think the park screws are correct, I just don't know about the washers. Anybody know for sure?


Thanks in advance for your help.
Wayne



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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by john HD » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:05 pm

wayne

i saw cad clamps on both ends of the junkyard '55.

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by john HD » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:11 pm

wayne

you can draw your own conclusions about the primary cover screws from this photo.

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by DaveSwanson » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:02 pm

A couple shots of a bone stock 55FL that should help. I agree the neck clamp appears to be cad on the "junkyard 55", but I think there is a good chance it could be rusty parkerize also.

IMO the seat post clamp is a no brainer it is cad on my unrestored 56 FLH and is clearly cad in the following picture of the 55. The primary screws are parkerized on my 56 and look to be parkerized on the 55 picture.
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The neck clamp appears to be parkerized on the barn fresh 55 also.
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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by FelthamW » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:30 pm

John - I saw that park neck clamp on those salvaged bike pics. But those are the only ones I have seen like that. I have to agree with Dave and that it may be a fluke. I will stick with the way I have them. Park neck clamp - cad seat post clamp.

It appears from that primary pic on the salvage bike that the washer is parkerized. The screw tells me nothing - too blurry. I will stay with the present combo of park screws and park washers.

Dave - I see you saved all those pictures of that estate sale bike on eBay. Me too. Good reference. Do you remember what that bike went for $28k? $30k? I have all those pictures saved to my PC and was going to upload them to the '55 gallery but thought better of it. I don't want to piss anybody off as they aren't mine.

Unless I hear otherwise from somebody else, I think I know my path (hardware finish-wise, anyways).

Thanks, Wayne

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by DaveSwanson » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:35 pm

Wayne, yep, same bike. It amazed me how much it went for. That one was so decrepit it really did need a restore in my opinion. A bit too far gone.

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by john HD » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:52 pm

here is one more of the neck from the other side. i guess it could be parked. when i got my frame clips from old dude bart gave me a parkerized neck clamp.

it is unfortunate when i had the chance to photograph both of the junkyard bikes side by side i did not take more pics!

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by FelthamW » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:15 am

John,
That sure looks parkerized on this side. That other pic from the other side looks almost Cad. I am going to stay the course and stay park at the neck, cad at the seat post.
BTW, that is a new pic of the salvage bike(s) that wasn't posted on the ferrule post thread or the gallery. How many more you got ferreted away? Good stuff.
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Post by john HD » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:34 am

wayne,

that's all i have. i checked all my archives back to 03 when i first saw the pair at davenport.

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Post by john HD » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:20 am

i did find the back story on the 2 bikes http://www.bikernet.com/news/PageViewer.asp?PageID=85

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Post by 55PAN » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:03 pm

I don't mean to hijack this thread either, but I noticed the two close-up photos of the fork neck lock had the covers on them just like mine. My 55 is an early one, 55FL110* and I always felt it had the original lock on it. If you check out Palmer's book, he says it was first used with the cover in 56. What do you have on your bike Wayne and was anything mentioned in the judging? Also my frame number is 4 G, which is 1954 July.

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by FelthamW » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:47 pm

Bruce,
My bike is a FLH which makes it late, SN 519x which makes it late, has late frame numbers but I didn't write them down and I can't remember, has -55 head castings that have a I 5 date code making them September 1955, with has a s.s. lock cover, HAD a '56 style speedo when I got the bike years ago (I changed to the early '55 style and wish I hadn't now), has a thumbscrew wing nut on tool box, has 12 bolt d-rings with -54 d-ring pn's...there is lots of funny stuff happening in '55.

I actually beleive that Mr. Bruce Palmer was wrong on the s.s. covered lock. I have never seen anything but. Even the factory photos from '55 model year start show the cover. I got dinged at Eustis, but not at Oley. I was loaded for bear if they had disallowed it again.
The early speedos were greyish and the late ones were goldish.
The early bikes show keyed lock boxes but later in the year they went thunbscrew.
The 12 bolt heads? Well, on my bike either they were reverted by the dealer or the factory reverted them back as OE because they knew they made a mistake. I have no documentation on when they did that except to say page 183 of Palmers book shows a late 1954 with six screws (???) and that was before they even announced the 1955 models, so who is to say that they didn't correct thier mistake in late '55? From what I have learned in this endeavor, lots of this stuff happened - and we have no proof!
We ought to start a thread lamenting the obscure changes made in any given model year. THAT would probably go off the charts!
Wayne

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by john HD » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:56 pm

so wayne,

i this the speedo you went with?

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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by FelthamW » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:21 am

Hey John
Before I forget, thanks for that link on the Desert Rat salvage bikes, It is a nice bit of trivia. I saved it too.
On the speedo, look at the 1955 FLH 15 pic in the '55 gallery - it looks the same as yours excepting the lighting and glare.
This is what I originally had on my bike when I bought it - it is actually correct for a late '55. Didn't know that at the time.
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Re: Parkerized vs Cad hardware

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Post by john HD » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:28 am

wayne,

that i did not know.

interesting speedo for sure.

i almost went with a red face plate on mine, they were a dealer option in the 50's. as was white and gold.

my speedo guy talked me out of it and i was glad he did.

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