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Battery problem

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Post by beets » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:00 pm

I got a new -29f battery from HARLEY and added acid. After charging it for 18 hours at 1.5 amps it only gets to 6.4 volts and the voltage drops while the digital multimeter is hooked up. I got a floating ball hydrometer and the cell that is gassing the most shows 3/4 charge and the other two show 1/4 charge with little gassing.

I checked the hydrometer on a known good battery and all cells show full charge.

Any ideas/suggestions?



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Re: Battery problem

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Post by DaveSwanson » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:06 pm

Looks like you got a bad one.

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by FlatHeadSix » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:09 am

sometimes you have to "shock" a dry charged battery into life with a quick high-amp jolt of power. Try hooking it up to an automotive charger and charging it at about 6 amps for 10 or 15 minutes. Keep an eye on the temperature while you're giving it the fast charge, don't let it get too hot. After the 15 minute "boost" put the trickle charger back on it overnight and the see what you've got.

If it doesn't wake up after that you should take it back where you got it and try for an exchange.

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by beets » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:04 am

Shocking it with 6 amps didn't work. Only one cell is gasing freely and when I put a small load on the battery, the voltage falls fast.

I had a bad feeling when filling it with acid, two cells filled when I poured acid in one. I'm guessing there is a partition missing between cells.

I bought it on line and the dealer says I can't ship it back with acid residue in it. I'll check on that in the morning.

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by VT » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:51 pm

Imo, if you're talking about a 6V H-2, don't ever charge a battery with anything but a Battery Tender®. It's the official Harley-Davidson® charger these days.
Using anything else is a gamble, because batteries can't talk (yet). If they could, they would tell you they're being overheated, or that you've filled above the line, or that they'd last longer if you used "Charge-Itâ„¢" (cadmium solution) first.
That's what this industry needs, "talking batteries".

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by PanPal » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:08 pm

I'm due for a new 6 volt battery this season. I've been thinking about trying something different than what you get at the local HD shop.
I think this guy has this same battery on E-bay for a buy it now $59.00 every so often. Does anyone have expierience running one of these?

http://www.greatplainscycle.com/Batteries/6v18aGel.php

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by john HD » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:49 pm

places like battery mart still sell them and sometimes have them in stock.

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by 51Hog » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:19 am

A pair of these will fit in the box and give you 24 amp hours---
http://www.batterymart.com/p-6v-12ah-se ... eryf2.html
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Re: Battery problem

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Post by PanPal » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:19 pm

well, I dissected one of my old batteries last night and it seems like I could put 2 of these in this case. It seems like the dividers between the lead plates need to be longer to keep the plates from bridging on the HD batteries. Is it a bad idea to use a gel cell battery? Would a gel battery fail sooner than a lead acid battery in the hot oil tank?

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by 51Hog » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:14 pm

I think I am going to give them a shot.
This is what the description says.


"Sealed Maintenance Free
The valve regulated, spill-proof construction of this battery allows trouble-free, safe operation in any position. There is no need to add electrolyte, as gases generated during charging are recombined in a unique "oxygen cycle".

Long Service Life
A dependable service life can be expected under normal operating conditions.

Long Shelf Life
Low self-discharge rate allows for storage of fully charged batteries for longer periods of time before charging is required. Lower storage temperatures will further extend shelf life.

Wide Operating Temperature Range
May be discharged over a temperature range of -40 ºC to +60 ºC (-40 ºF to +140 ºF), and charged at temperatures ranging from -20 ºC to +50 ºC (4 ºF to +122 ºF).

Rugged Construction
The high-impact resistant battery case is made either of non-conductive ABS plastic or styrene. Large capacity batteries frequently have polypropylene cases, all of these materials impart great resistance to shock, vibration, chemicals and heat.

Specifications:
6V 12AH
Length 5.95 in.
Width 1.97 in.
Height 3.71 in.
Terminal F2
F2 terminals are .250" wide (1/4")
1 Year Warranty "

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by PanPal » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:51 pm

I think I will try them too. Thanks for posting the link.

I'm still wondering about the Gel batteries also. If I remember correctly the gel can begin to suspend bubbles, but is this from heat or overcharging?

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by RussW » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:06 am

Free to a good home... one pair of 6V, 12 AH, MK brand SLA batteries. Used a couple of seasons, but still got a good output. I used to run the pair in my bike wired to a double throw switch, both batteries grounded and the (+) to different sides of the toggle switch. This allowed my to use either battery, and switch to the other if one died. Just alternated which I was using every couple weeks to make sure they both stayed charged. Only thing, you need an electronic voltage regulator for charging (I use Cycle Electric) so it doesn't fry these batteries. Switched to 12V last summer, Mallory dist., etc so maybe one of you could put these batteries to use. Whatever UPS shipping is and they're yours....

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Re: Battery problem

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Post by PanPal » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:25 pm

Your saying If we try the new style batteries we need to be running and electronic regulator??? Why won't the original regulator work?

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