65 electric start problem

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65 electric start problem

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Post by rrhawg » Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:43 am

I have been fighting the electric starter on my 65 for awhile now. It hasn't been to bad because it does kick start easy.
I seem to not have enough clearance between the starter drive gear and the ring gear on the clutch basket. I have the correct shaft and the rest of the parts for that, I believe are correct. The clutch basket is what I am suspecting is the problem. Does anyone know if the earlier baskets had the ring gear set onto the basket farther than the later ones, and if so how much more did they sit in? I believe that I can turn the step a little farther on the basket but would like to do it correct the first time instead of guessing. I can't seem to find one that is correct in my junk. but I have a couple of newer ones that have the ring gear already cut off and I have a new ring gear that I can weld on one of them.
Rich



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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by john HD » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:18 am

rich,

can't comment on the basket issue mine is kick only.

i was wondering if you have the correct starter?

wern't '65 starters a one year only item? delco remy?

john

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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by rrhawg » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:42 am

John, I don't have the delco remy starter in there now, but I don't think that would make a difference. (altho I could be mistaken). I have a prestolite starter in there now.
Rich

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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by john HD » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:44 am

rich,

perhaps cotten will chime in, i think he has a couple of '65's

i just seem to remember that the 65 is unusual. maybe it is just the manufacturer of the starter and nothing else.

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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by RUBONE » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:12 am

The starter does not matter but the starter shaft and the clutch drum are both different from '66-'69 and '70 and later. I would have to check more but I believe the later drum has the ring gear mounted not as deep as the early one. Having to do with the extra length for the alternator set-up. You need the clutch drum with the ring gear mounted the deepest (furthest out from the starter) as well as the shorter starter shaft.
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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by Cotten » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:43 pm

To add to Robbie's points,

One very common omission is the large bronze thrustwasher on the outboard end of the starter shaft (31502-65).
I have found more than one laying the bottom of the primary when opened.

If the clutch 'drum' has a three-piece ring gear, it is the wrong one, and a poor choice for even the correct application. (But with the ring gear removed, it is fine for any kick-only machine!)

Beware also when welding a fresh ring gear upon a drum, the heat can easily ruin the temper adjacent to the beads. Welds must be short, with heat dams if possible, and much patience.

...Cotten

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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by rrhawg » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:30 pm

I dug thru the attic and found a clutch basket with a deeper step for the starter. It looks to be 1/4" deeper that the baskets for the cone motors, Measures 1/2" and is about half way into the rivet. I turned a later one down to this measurement and welded the new ring gear to it. I'll try to get it together now and see if it works.
Thanks,
Rich

I was going to include a picture but couldn't get it to load something about bmp file. I'll try later

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Re: 65 electric start problem

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Post by RUBONE » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:50 pm

Rich,
It sounds like the fix you needed. When the alternator motors came out the tranny shaft got about 1/2 inch longer but the starter shaft only about 1/4 inch longer and the ring gear further back. I suspect it had to do with maxing out the stroke on the solenoid and not wanting to change everything. Let us know the outcome.
Robbie

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