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Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Orion » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:04 pm

Im working on a early Panhead transmission pre 59 and the low-second gear cluster is missing. I have found many 59 up gears but not the pre 59. I have found out the pre 59 is a 15-20 tooth count as is the 59. So why wont the 59 fit?



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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Wayne Mc » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:35 pm

Hello Orion,
V Twin has the early gears.

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Post by RUBONE » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:16 am

Orion,
The difference is in the way the third gear interacts with the 1st/2nd cluster. Pre '59 the third gear had a fairly narrow brass bushing in it and the cluster had a thrust face it ran against. It tended to wear prematurely and cause the well known "third gear whine". In '59 the new style had a third gear with an extended shoulder and no bushing, steel on steel with lubricant grooves. It worked very well. Unless you are dead set on early gears, use the '59 up third and matching cluster. (it has a deep recess for the extended gear) and you will have a better overall gearbox.
And I would not use a V-Twin gear for a doorstop!
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Post by Cotten » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:25 am

All three of my hand-shift '65s had the brass-bushing arrangement.

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Post by RUBONE » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:40 am

All three of my hand-shift '65s had the brass-bushing arrangement.
I guess I finally see something I cannot agree with you on Cotten.
If you are talking 3&R boxes OK, but not 4 speeds.
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Post by Cotten » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:24 am

RUBONE wrote:
All three of my hand-shift '65s had the brass-bushing arrangement.
I guess I finally see something I cannot agree with you on Cotten.
If you are talking 3&R boxes OK, but not 4 speeds.
Robbie
So Robbie,

You are telling me that I did not find bushed gears in my own machines?

Don't call me a liar.

My first was a Kansas City PD machine in '75.
The next was a trashed bagger a few years later, and the third derelict a couple more.
The odds that these were all retro-dated within fifteen years is pretty slim.
Nothing else had been fixed!

....Cotten

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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Orion » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:51 am

Ok its not that I want to run a original gear , it was I just didnt know why if the tooth count was the same why it wouldnt interchange without the additional gear. So the recess in the gear sounds to be the reason. Thanks for the info.

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Post by RUBONE » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:40 am

Cotten,
If you construe that as calling you a liar so be it! Unless I see real proof and not hearsay I do not believe it. You are welcome to believe it all you like. You say you saw It, I say I have not. So by your own logic you are calling me a liar. Only I could care less!
Robbie

Oh, and Orion. Yes that is why the gears do not interchange!

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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Wayne Mc » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:01 am

Orion,
V Twin lists their gears (doorstops as Rubone suggests) or Andrews (which are the best choice)

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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Cotten » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:49 pm

RUBONE wrote:Cotten,
If you construe that as calling you a liar so be it! Unless I see real proof and not hearsay I do not believe it. You are welcome to believe it all you like. You say you saw It, I say I have not. So by your own logic you are calling me a liar. Only I could care less!
Robbie
Folks,

I offered a simple empirical observation, made with my own hands and eyes: not hearsay.

Now I am personally attacked based entirely upon arrogant, dogmatic assumption.

For those pontificates that will only accept beatified scriptures, here is a quick scan from the '65 Parts Book. The asterisk denotes use through '65
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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by RUBONE » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:33 am

WOW!
I guess in some way I offended you Cotten and I apologize for that. It was not intended.
I'll keep my thoughts to myself in the future!
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Re: Panhead transmisson gear interchange

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Post by Cotten » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 am

RUBONE wrote:WOW!
I guess in some way I offended you Cotten and I apologize for that. It was not intended.
I'll keep my thoughts to myself in the future!
Robbie
Apology accepted Robbie,

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