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Panhead Points...Help

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Post by 1hdrider » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:01 pm

hello...back in the day (70`s)...I use to run points on my pan that had the alen screw dwell adjustment & the felt pad for the distributor cam & the condenser was not part of the points as a single unit...these points went right on with out ANY modification & were made much better made than the standard HD pan points or after market ones...& with the external adjustment you could dial the motor in real sweet...I think they came off of an old chevy application but I cant remember...do you know what these points came off of (year, make, model, engine size) ???...I'm getting ready to put my pan on the road & want to start using these points again but I cant find the right ones...something on every set I try doesn't fit...either the post hole is a hair too small or there is a slight difference in the configuration & so far no one I`ve talked to seems to know "exactly" what they came off of...thanks for the help !!!



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Re: Panhead Points...Help

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Post by radarv » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:32 am

hdrider, have you checked your local napa store? I remember the point set your talking about,I think they were blue streak brand. they were the same as mid 70s GM as I recall. I would take your used set in to them & see what they can match up for fitment perposes. just a thought. sorry I cant be of more help. radar

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Post by 1hdrider » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:11 am

thanks radar...yea I've done that at NAPA...always get close but no cigar & after i have the counter guy bring me over a half a dozen sets back & forth off the shelf that wont work, it gets to be a pain especially when there's other customers. never thought ide have such a hard time finding them again knowing that i'm not the only guy thats used them...thanks man

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Re: Panhead Points...Help

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Post by lownslow » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:53 pm

I know the ones you're talking about. I had a '63 Chevy truck with 350 engine yanked from a 1971 corvette, so you're right it is a GM product. Try that, and see where you end up. I, like many others, ended up switching that distributor over to an electronic ignition. A thread on the hotrodders forum that clearly has no end............ :roll: a

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Post by 1hdrider » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:08 pm

yea...GM product...not that others didnt use them...this is turning into a mission from h*ll...but im still workin on it...thanks Low

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Post by 2Hacks » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:25 pm

I remember those with the allen screw dwell adjustment. If memory serves me correct, they were Mallory and I had them on a Chevy 327.

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Post by Schwee » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm

NAPA CS779A

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Post by 1hdrider » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:37 pm

yea thanks Schwee...ive used those...there a better grade than the HD points..." BUT"...they dont have the allen screw adjustment....thanks man

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Re: Panhead Points...Help

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Post by Cotten » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:03 pm

Folks,

The points gap adjusting screw was always a "blade" style, and it is captured upon the points cap with a rivited end.
The screw does not come with the points.

It would have had to be replaced to be an allen.

The felt wiper points that I encounter are for magnetos.

You won't find the word "dwell" in the Service Manual, as the dwell for each cylinder is determined by the points cam. You would have to grind the cam to change the dwell.

And you won't find the word "distributor" in the Service Manual or Parts Book anywhere, either.
Harley did not use one!

...Cotten

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Re: Panhead Points...Help

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Post by Panacea » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:04 pm

Cotten wrote:Folks,

The points gap adjusting screw was always a "blade" style, and it is captured upon the points cap with a rivited end.
The screw does not come with the points.

It would have had to be replaced to be an allen.

The felt wiper points that I encounter are for magnetos.

You won't find the word "dwell" in the Service Manual, as the dwell for each cylinder is determined by the points cam. You would have to grind the cam to change the dwell.

And you won't find the word "distributor" in the Service Manual or Parts Book anywhere, either.
Harley did not use one!

...Cotten
Could the breaker be considered a "distributor" if it supplied "single fire" operation?..Just wonderin"...Mike

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Post by Cotten » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:33 pm

Panacea wrote:Could the breaker be considered a "distributor" if it supplied "single fire" operation?..Just wonderin"...Mike
Mike!

Although the dual-points timers effectively "distributed" the spark to separate cylinders, it still lacked the rotor and cap that denote a true distributor, such as Indian's Autolite assemblies.
Instead, they were just a double'd-up simple circuit breaker.

Frankly, Harley had the better system for the simple reason that it eliminates un-necessary and expensive consumeable hardware.

Calling it a "distributor" degrades its true glory.
But that's what it is listed under in the V-TWIN catalog, of course.

....Cotten

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Post by windweaver » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:23 pm

the ones with the allen head adjustment were for a v8 that had a door on the distributor cap. the ones for a 6 are the ones that fit a pan and i don't think they ever had the adjustment door. they are different lengths. ww

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Post by Panshovevo » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:51 am

windweaver wrote:the ones with the allen head adjustment were for a v8 that had a door on the distributor cap. the ones for a 6 are the ones that fit a pan and i don't think they ever had the adjustment door. they are different lengths. ww
This is my recollection as well. It's possible that an aftermarket company made a similar setup for the 6 cylinder, but I never encountered it.

Regards,
John

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Re: Panhead Points...Help

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Post by duoglide58 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:26 am

I agree it was a 6 cyl 60's Chevy application that fit. Here are some part numbers that I have used over the years.
Points:
Borg Warner A109V
Wells D21077MOV
Wells DR1077
Sorensen DR69
Blue Streak DR 2240X (cycle listing)

Condenser:
Zenith 3-205
Standard DR 90
OEM D203
Wells U515
V Forge CN74
Sorensn DRC8
Borg Warner G126
Blue Streak DR90X (cycle listing)
Doug

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Post by Bosheff » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:43 am

If there is such a set of points that are being described that drop in a stock HD timer I'll be damned if I have ever encountered them. Years and years ago I went on a wild goose chase lookin for em cause I heard they existed, but I couldn't turn a set to save my life. The GM set mentioned will not work in stock form....bosheff

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