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Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:15 pm

Hey guys.

I just installed a MidUSA Antique style springer on my 48.

Looks great, fits great. But, the top clamp hits the dash (oem) before the fork stops contact the frame.

Also, I don't love the look of the clamp itself.

Can I use a Flanders style inline top clamp instead and run dogbone risers?
It looks like I would have way more clearance.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Flanders-type-TR ... SwTM5Y62qP

The center to center of the forks is standard 4.75".

Also, after tightening everything down, the threaded tops of the forks are ~3/8" shy of the top clamp. Is this a problem?

Thx!



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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by RUBONE » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:59 pm

Also, after tightening everything down, the threaded tops of the forks are ~3/8" shy of the top clamp. Is this a problem?
That is generally due to using Timken style bearings rather than OEM type balls. It isn't an issue unless you try to run a stock type steering damper which won't fit.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by 1950Panhead » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:06 am

Also, after tightening everything down, the threaded tops of the forks are ~3/8" shy of the top clamp. Is this a problem?
Can also be caused by using vtwin neck cups

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:33 am

Oh so true, little but noticeable height. But still not addressing his tree smacking the dash,
post some pics.
1950Panhead wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:06 am
Also, after tightening everything down, the threaded tops of the forks are ~3/8" shy of the top clamp. Is this a problem?
Can also be caused by using vtwin neck cups

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:38 am

Pics.

Missing Top dust shield. I've got one on the way.
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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:40 am

Neck cups were painted black long, long ago!

I may still try to pull em and get em back back down to the chrome.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:46 am

RUBONE wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:59 pm
Also, after tightening everything down, the threaded tops of the forks are ~3/8" shy of the top clamp. Is this a problem?
That is generally due to using Timken style bearings rather than OEM type balls. It isn't an issue unless you try to run a stock type steering damper which won't fit.
I am using timken bearings. I just ordered the same part # as the bearings that were used with the narrow Glide front end that was on it when I got it.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Your bottom timken looks like its not pressed on all the way,
your dash frame mount has been reattached, and shoddily. Its either too far forward or some how misplaced, see picture.
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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by RooDog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:15 pm

That lower dust cover is incorrect unless you mean to funnel water, dust & dirt into the lower bearings. It probably should be above the top bearing as a protective umbrella for that top bearing. A smaller OD dust cover which fits within and is shrouded by the lower bearing cup is correct for that location. Normally the upper dust cover is built into the top nut on both a springer and a Hydraglide....
I hope this frame has not been powder coated before everything has been fitted up..... RooDog

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:09 pm

Buddhahoodvatoloco wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:23 pm
Your bottom timken looks like its not pressed on all the way,
your dash frame mount has been reattached, and shoddily. Its either too far forward or some how misplaced, see picture.
Yea, I noticed that. Not me lol. The welds don't look great but there is decent penetration. Looks like someone welded it with a 110 mig.

I found a print for this frame and the location of the dash mount seems to match.

The bottom bearing is all the way on, I think I just have the wrong dust shield on it.

Hmmm, honestly I didn't torque the hell out of the top but because I knew I'd be taking back off.

Ya think when I do, it'll all pull tight and my fork tops will be closer to flush?

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:16 pm

RooDog wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:15 pm
That lower dust cover is incorrect unless you mean to funnel water, dust & dirt into the lower bearings. It probably should be above the top bearing as a protective umbrella for that top bearing. A smaller OD dust cover which fits within and is shrouded by the lower bearing cup is correct for that location. Normally the upper dust cover is built into the top nut on both a springer and a Hydraglide....
I hope this frame has not been powder coated before everything has been fitted up..... RooDog
The frame is rattlecan so no prob there. I can always touch it up if I gotta move something.

I just used the dust shields that were on it when I got it but I ordered a set that has the proper smaller shield that fits inside the neck cup for the bottom.

One thing that is kinda weird....I ordered new timkens with the same part number as the old ones. Only difference being the new ones say China on em and the old ones say USA. The old bearing slid onto the stem fairly easily but the new ones will not fit all the way to the bottom of the stem. Won't make it past the first step at the top of the stem. So I used the old bearing on the bottom just for mockup cause I had a feeling that dust shield was wrong and I don't wanna press a bearing on top of it.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Doc37W » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:31 pm

I noticed that your neck is not stock (no neck lock). If it has been raked and then de-raked, it may still be raked more than stock, & would cause the top tree to run into the dash cover before the fork stops. Doc

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:36 pm

I don't supposed one of you awesome dudes could measure from the center of the neck to the dashmount. I just wanna make sure it's right.

I'm using repop 3.5 gal split tanks and they fit okay but the back side of them is hitting the frame....moving them further back would make the fit even worse. If I were to move the dash mount, this would also move the upper tank mount.

Which would fix my problem with top tree clearance but hurt my tank fit.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:39 pm

Doc37W wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:31 pm
I noticed that your neck is not stock (no neck lock). If it has been raked and then de-raked, it may still be raked more than stock, & would cause the top tree to run into the dash cover before the fork stops. Doc
For some reason, someone stuck a plate over that part of the neck and body filled it.

I've measured neck rake as best I can and it's 29.5-30*. I used those measurements to determine the springer length I needed. I'm generally pretty precise with measuring. Also, I measured it about 20 times lol.

The print I was looking at may not be accurate.

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Re: Panhead Springer Triple Tree Options

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Post by Motocooney » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:05 pm

Hmmm. All 3 tank mount locations are right...meaning the dash mount has to be in the right spot. The lower mount between the downtubes doesn't look like it's been moved and rewelded.

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