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Vin# 48EL1080 how does this one look , any feedback would be appreciated

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Post by Mark48 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:29 pm

Hey guys, new to the site, you all do a awesome job here, I am trying to figure out how to post a pic here , but seems I got a pic of my vin# on to the gallery, what do you guys think? Thanks
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Re: Panhead

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Post by RUBONE » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:41 pm

Hi Mark, Welcome to the site. I put your picture in your post for you. How about going to the new member section and do an intro.
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Post by Mark48 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:45 pm

Ok, thanks

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:13 am

Mark, welcome to the forum. It’s hard to be sure from such a small photo. Can you post a larger picture please.

In your other photo below, notice the area I highlighted. Can you post a close-up of that area.

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Photos of the belly numbers would also help. If you’re not familiar with them you may find them stamped under each case half near the outer edges and toward the front.

And are there any markings on top of the cases near the rear engine mounting bolts? Photos? Thanks.
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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:51 am

Here is a pic of the underside, the left case number says it’s a FL, there is no right case number, and there are no numbers on either case by the motor mounts, did you mean you would like to see a better pic of vin#?
Thanks
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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 am

Hi , is this the area you were looking for?
Thanks
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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:15 am

I dont see any numbers at all in this area
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Post by RooDog » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:58 pm

The way I understand it, two number "7"s would be stamped on that rear mount if it were an original 74" engine, but this being a 61" EL it is OK for there to be no markings there. But this is information I have learned from the fellas on this site, so it should be correct......
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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:13 pm

Thank you RooDog,
This is quite the learning experience, I am wondering if the right case still could be original even though there is no belly number, or is that a aftermarket for sure?
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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:38 pm

Mark, I can’t see anything wrong with the left BN. You said this number says it’s FL? Do you mean because it begins with code number 1 as opposed to code 2? For 1948 models, normally code number 1 was used for Panheads regardless of 74ci or 61ci. (Possible exceptions? There are some reports and I continue to look into those.)

Anyway, notice the 1 has a short top serif at about forty-five degrees but no serif at the base.
The 4 is sans serif and its top is closed courtesy of a very short horizontal stroke.
Notice the 8 is weighted at the bottom half.
In the sequence portion the 1s have a short top serif at about forty-five degrees and a serif across the base.
The 3 has a flat top, a vertical serif at top left and a medium-length diagonal.
The 5 looks okay.

Notice your left case has a rounded lower edge which is a leftover characteristic from the casting used for Knucklehead cases. Not all 48 Pans have the rounded lower edge though and at some stage during the 1948 model year the edge changed to the type your R-H case has.

Originally some single replacement cases never had a BN so perhaps the R-H case is one of those. I’m not surprised there is no marking on top of the R-H case near the rear engine mounting bolt, given the case has no BN.

It’s good there is no marking on top of the left case. Lack of marking is consistent with cases with an E/EL VIN. (If the VIN was F/FL then I’d expect a certain type of 7 to be stamped on top of the case.)

Regarding the area I highlighted earlier, has that area had a repair near the bolt hole?
Here’s what it normally looks like (for 48-early-52):

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Regarding the VIN, yes, a better picture would help. Thanks.
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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Thanks Eric
I will get better pic of vin# and bolt area ASAP
I reviewed the 1992 paperwork my bro-in-law had for the rebuild, I see no mention of case repair. Hopefully a better pic will tell something.
Just trying to build a accurate story for the bottom end as best I can.

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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:22 pm

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Better pic of vin#
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Hopefully this is a better pic if the vin#

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Post by Mark48 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:25 pm

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Better pic of front bolt area
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Hopefully this is a better pic of the front bolt area

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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:17 am

Thanks for the new photo of the front of the case. Earlier on the bolt looked further out than it normally would for 48–early-52. But things look better in the latest picture and I can’t see any sign of a repair. Below is another case for comparison.

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I’d still prefer a larger version of the VIN if possible. Could you email me a bigger picture. (No need to reduce it beforehand.) I’ll send you my address via PM.
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Post by Speeding Big Twin » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:06 pm

Mark, the large photo you sent is good and I couldn’t see anything wrong with your VIN. I just replied to your email and I sent you two 48EL VINs for comparison.

Getting back to your R-H case, I still can’t see anything that indicates AM so I think it may be H-D. It appears to be somewhere from 1948 to early-52 inclusive as far as model year is concerned because it doesn't have an oil screen boss like the example below.

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According to H-D Shop Dope 330, the boss didn’t appear until engine number about 52FL3529.
Eric

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