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George Greer
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:55 am

Hi all..........

As some of you know, I am not moving back to the US.

The daughter has moved back to Germany from Oregon, bought a house, car, got the grandchild in school. Just waiting on the house to close, and the container from the US with all the household goods and my motorcycle project to arrive.

Then........with all that said, my retirement begins on the 30th of November this year. So I will (hopefully), have the time to complete the hotrod WL/KH project, and finish the 58.

Its been a long tiring road to get to this point, but I think that it will alll work out shortly.

Once the dust has settled, and I get to, I will post photos of the FL project as it goes along. 1st thing I have to do is get the frame thru German TuV and get frame registered.

Youall take care............George



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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by panhead » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:40 pm

Keep us informed George!

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by hplhd » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:37 am

so the whole family will be close by now George. thanks for the pic and try to keep us updated. retiring huh? I have to look that word up in the dictionary :)

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:28 am

enjoy your new found home.
Yea TUV can be sticky, but your karma will come into play. trip, you gotta get a permit to drive old bikes.
Going back to Germany next year......

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:13 am

Buddhahoodvatoloco ,

Now Tuv is not as hard as it used to be.

When I got my WLA thru, I did not know that it was easy if you only took the frame down and got a VIN number on it FIRST. Plus it helps that the fellas at TuV, are mostly Harley / Bike fans.

My regular Germany drivers license is ( I can't spell the Germany word for it )... "Unlimited" for anything on 2 wheels.

Now that I know that, I am going to dis-assemble the "mock-up" assembly, and just take the frame with me and get a Germany VIN number stamped.

We are just waiting on a few formalities for my daughters house to close, and when the moving container from the US arrives on the 21st, she can move in.

My wife and I built our house in 02, and we live just south of Würzburg in Bavaria.

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by Buddhahoodvatoloco » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:30 am

George,
surprising it's that easy. A few guys I used to know had a bear of time getting the bikes off the docks.

I go to Sulzbach-Rosenberg and other places. Next year I think I will visit the Scandinavian countries. Keep us all posted.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:13 am
Buddhahoodvatoloco ,

Now Tuv is not as hard as it used to be.

When I got my WLA thru, I did not know that it was easy if you only took the frame down and got a VIN number on it FIRST. Plus it helps that the fellas at TuV, are mostly Harley / Bike fans.

My regular Germany drivers license is ( I can't spell the Germany word for it )... "Unlimited" for anything on 2 wheels.

Now that I know that, I am going to dis-assemble the "mock-up" assembly, and just take the frame with me and get a Germany VIN number stamped.

We are just waiting on a few formalities for my daughters house to close, and when the moving container from the US arrives on the 21st, she can move in.

My wife and I built our house in 02, and we live just south of Würzburg in Bavaria.

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:01 pm

Hi all,

Question, and I know that this is probably a loooong shot,

Can anyone identify this cam that came in the engine when I bought it in Holland.

No markings on the cam at all, except for the timing marking dash.

I wonder from the profile of the cam if anyone might be able to identify the performance the cam might produce.

Thanks in advance,

George
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by Doc37W » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:24 am

George, It looks to me like a low lift, long duration cam, maybe a F cam. In cases where there's no marks on the cam, I take a micrometer and measure across the cam to get the base circle, then the highest part of the lift. Subtract the bigger number from the smaller, multiply the the difference by 1.50. That will give you the lift at the valve, which should be .412" for a stock lift. If it's higher, most cam manufactors list their cams lift online. Should be able to find ones that are close. Doc

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RUBONE » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:40 am

An FL( all F and FL engines used it) cam is around .373, an FLH around .412. The picture is a Panhead "61" cam (the one you sent me George!) in the upper left, an FL cam in the upper right, and an "H" cam below. Not pictured is the only other factory variant, the "HL" cam which was the predecessor to the "H" used in Panhead TT bikes as an over the counter upgrade from the race catalog. Note there are no markings on the FL type.
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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:42 am

Robbie, thank you for the info.

I will be using this cam in the engine, since the lobes are in perfect condition as are the bearing riding surfaces, the J cam that I have on hand, the inner bearing surface has a slight gouge all the way around the surface, and since I have new bearings in the engine case, I do not want to create a worry for myself.

I did look at various cam profiles at the W&W Cycles site and their "Victory" cam looks almost the same as the one I have.

Thanks again..

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by hplhd » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:29 pm

George, congrats on your retirement. enjoy it.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RUBONE » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:40 pm

"Victory" was the name H-D used on their new for mid '55 "H" cam with the introduction of the FLH.

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:02 pm

Thanks for all the reply's.

I have gotten the oil pump studs replaced, installed the oil pump and torqued the mounting nuts to 50 inch pounds.

Got the cam chest assembled, and the gears all timed to their marks.

I have a question about the left hand thread pinion gear nut..........what's the correct torque for that nut?

I looked in the Data Base, and all the manuals I have about the pan,..........coming up with 100 Foot Pounds. Is that correct? Seems quite high for it.

If I am overlooking it please let me know.

Next is to check the cam end play and install the cam cover.

George.

PS.......first day of retirement.. seems like a normal Saturday. Still got chores to do ....lol :D

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:37 pm

Hi Doc.........

I took the the cam back out, and measured the cam.....

1.094 -minus 1.334.......and came up with .360" .. pretty much like you said, low lift cam. And if it does not perform like I want the engine to run, I can change it out.......

For me, I don't have the "Need for Speed" anymore.....I am looking at something that is a good runner, Ok all around performance, and most of all ...a reliable engine, for my bike that I can hop on and go anywhere and get me there and back.

Now, what to expect from this cam.....time will tell..... and now it seems as if I am going to have plenty of free time once I finish getting the daughter and granddaughter all settled it,

Thanks to all....

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by George Greer » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm

Getting close.

Got the cam / gear chest completed, pistons-cylinders installed and torqued down, heads & rocker boxes installed and torqued, push rods and covers on, carb and support installed.

Got to finish up on adjusting the valves, setting the timing and rebuilding the circuit breaker ( timer ).

I have installed the valve covers to see how flat they are and I am going to go over the covers and polish them. I will be installing the felts on Monday or Tuesday, and installing the covers and "D" rings.

I hope next week to be able to have the old rubber off of the rims, and take the rims to a wheel specialist near Nurnburg to have them soda blasted and clear coated.

Take care to all and to all a big thanks for the support..

George
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