My 58 FL

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Re: My 58 FL

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Post by RooDog »

George.
No need to use a vise to wind the spring. Install the shaft with the spring so that the hooked end is loose and toward the rear of the motorcycle about 9:30 position. Once the gear is in place you can simply wind the shprig by hand the 1/4 turn necessary to preload it. Mean while, the gear can only install one way with the small pin against its stop. Move the kicker in the normal direction as in kicking it, and it should move smoothly about 180*, then you can hook the spring as the last part of the assembly. If necessary I can disassemble my tranny laying on the shop floor for pics, but that wouldn't be till later today.....

Chill out, take 10 deep breaths and think about how this simple piece of machinery works, it's not rocket science, don't over complicate it, it was designed in the 1930s....

Let me know if you still need pics....
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Re: My 58 FL

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Fellas,

Got it back together, I and I put on the ribbed one that I had and was going to be using on the spare transmission that I am building.

The ribbed one is really beefy with a lot of metal around the kicker, and I went ahead and changed bushings and instead of a flat washer seal, I installed 2 o-rings in the groove between bushings, and lubed it up good.

Now then, being the wuss that I am and I don't have a heated garage to work in..........when I got cold, I quit for the evening.

I need to reinstall and adjust the clutch cable and rod.....and before I do that I am going to reset the clutch basket to initial settings.

George

PS, later on I will post pics.

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Re: My 58 FL

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G....
You made a good move going to the ribbed AM kicker cover. I had one too on my 68 FL back before I went to the 5:4 Speed conversion (some time around 1990-93) .
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and these heavy duty cast pieces do seem to have enough beef to take the abuse of kick starting these beasties. On my recent Panny Project, the entire kicker package, except the ratchet/clutch, was a mess, so I went with Tedd's V-Twin parts: cover, one piece arm, and bumper stop plate.
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Now some folks may cringe, but all this stuff installed and have been working flawlessly. A bicycle pedal really does work well, and all this stuff looks right in place on the retro Panny. Not all Tedd's stuff is junk. And now I just can't believe how smoothly the old Pan kicks through. Back to my Shovel. You'll notice the electric start motor, so that kicker turned out to be a backup piece which eventually went away forever when I added the extra gear. "If you ain't moving forward, yer backin' up".....
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Re: My 58 FL

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Got it all done, clutch adjusted, clutch booster adjusted...........now it finally works right.

Getting cold, but I still took her on a short test ride, and everything seems to be in order, and transmission shifts smooth.

Now to address the foot shift lever not staying where I put it.

Thanks for all that commented, and advised.

George

PS, since my bike is a mix & match bike, and I have no intentions of ever having it as a "restored 58FL", just my rider that I can fix, and not a Harley dealer, to hook up a fancy computer to tell the tech what part to change or reset.
I don't mind using aftermarket parts as long as the work correctly.

My only concern's was........Engine, transmission and frame...........keeping those three items unmolested as possible.......everything else...what works will work for me. But as it came to be.......most of the parts are Harley.

I wish it was spring now....

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Re: My 58 FL

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G....
You're a man after my own heart, we are kindred spirits, making our bikes our own and not trying to toe the factory line. Now let's fix that shifter with a coupla splined pieces. You will need an inner arm and the outer arm. The outes are easy swapmeet items, the inner will take a little looking and luck. I'll let you know if I find something.....
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Re: My 58 FL

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George Greer wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:31 pm
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Now to address the foot shift lever not staying where I put it.
Posting a pic of this (maybe) aftermarket bugger will ring a bell with some of us ?
Some aftermarket foot-shifter are faulty by design :evil:

Ray, who once lost one foot-shifter somewhere on the highway and was really excited while downshifting with apehanger and forward controls to get to next dealer in the middle of town. Plenty amusement for the cagers for free !! :roll:

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Re: My 58 FL

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Time to sit back for a few, grab a brew, smokem if ya gotem ....


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Re: My 58 FL

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George, an old machinist trick if you’re committed to getting a spline setup, in the meantime you could put in a “Dutchman”. Position the shifter where you’re sure you want it and drill and tap a hole half in the shaft and half in the shifter, loktite in a set screw and go riding, you plan on replacing both parts anyway. But it’s kind of a hack.

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Anyy, this didn't work for me. My OEM shaft was hardened steel and I couldn't drill it.... I think the non-splined shifter was a just another turd of an idea to come out of Milwaukee. And don't say it was to keep some heavy booted ape from trashing the shift linkage/gears either. I've kicked many a shift with the splined version with no ill effects, but then maybe I just not destructive enough.....
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Gentlemen,

I have been somewhat busy with the Holidays, cooking and shopping for harley parts.

Got lucky and found a NOS splined foot shift arm and a splined heel-toe lever, just waiting of the weather to be nice for a day.

Also, I have found a NOS Bates drive-off front stand, that I am awaiting delivery on.

Last thing, found a set of saddlebags with mounts, here in Europe that I think will suit me and my needs just fine..

Looking at a NOS back rest/rack in the US, but will have to wait a day of two to get a response back from the owner..

Pictures of the saddlebags and mounts enclosed.

Been looking at what few parts manuals that I have and can not find a part number for the sticker / decal on the inside of the bags....anybody happen to know what it is?

Thanks to all and Happy New Year to all as well!!

George
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I am not familiar with how the inboard side of the right hand back is recessed/scalloped. Any thoughts on that? Could these be early hard bags for Panhead apps, they are just narrower enough that Shovelhead lids don't fit correctly.
Also be sure to check that RH support bracket for brake caliper clearance through full suspension travel.
Nice score, there, George....
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Re: My 58 FL

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RD,

mabey I am wrong, but I seem to recall reading that the right hand saddlebag is recessed for clearance for the swing-arm and disc brake.

That's one of the reasons that I snagged these up.

NOS mounts is crazy money, as it the bags too..

Shoot..........I've seen just lids alone go for over 200,..........aftermarket kits...500 up..

For the price of one USED lid, I got the entire kit......bags and mounts.

I hope that I am right about the disk brake mounting clearance.

George

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Georgr....
Did you ever get your hands on a choke cable for your Bendix carb. Her's how I rigged mine through the stock Linkert bracked....
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Roodog,

As a matter of fact, I found all NOS parts at JW Boon in Holland.

The mounting will be like what you have posted using the stock choke mounting on the upper engine mount.

Thanks,

George

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Re: My 58 FL

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Good deal, buddy, now, let us all make it through the winter.
There is a local car & motorcycle show this weekend. I managed to get my Project Panhead started and rode it to that show last year, won an antique class trophy, but got an offer to trailer it home which I could not refuse. I thought about entering Big Red Evo this year, but it's just not worth the effort.....
Best Wishes......
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